Introducing From the Glove Box, an automotive podcast with Mike and Tony Tatich, the father-son team and owners of TMT Automotive in Northern Indiana. Today we're talking about a split bumper Camaro, how to find the right mechanic, and a lesson learned about tire tread.

Hey this is Mike Tatich coming to you from Northern Indiana. I've been an automotive shop owner, independent automotive shop owner since 1984, almost 38 years now. So we're coming to you with our podcast with my son Tony. Gonna be talking a lot on this podcast about fun different things and automotive and everything. Cars and business and everything that we do.

I was born into an automotive business so I've been an automotive for 33 years now or since
1988. Coming to you from the millennial perspective of a father-son business in the automotive industry.

And I can tell you as a dad being partners with the millennial is a whole nother bag but it's a lot of fun. So I do enjoy that. One of the best things for us is to be a father-son team in our automotive shops in Northern Indiana and we're here to bring you some fun.

We'll talk about different concepts, different cars, different likes we have, and maybe some a little bit of maintenance on your current automobile. So I got a question for you Tony.

Our favorite American muscle cars

Favorite car of all time? Favorite muscle car of all time? Let's go even go into favorite American muscle car of all time. What's yours? I would have to say a 1970 and a half split bumper Camaro. Split bumper Camaro. Does everybody know what a split bumper Camaro is? It was pretty rare. Did not have a bumper through the center through the grille area.

So tell us a little bit about that Tony.

So that car was very rare especially in the 70 and a half. They did not get the car around in 69 quick enough to actually have a true 70 Camaro. So they had to delay the production date to be able to have a 70 and a half which actually limited the production even more. You could get the split bumper Camaro all the way through 1973 but you had to switch your package to mostly you had to have an RS package at that point in time. So I like the 70 and a half because it was the first true production of that.

I also like the 70 and a half because it had the round rear taillights and they started getting away from that in latter years. You may be able to correct me with that. Well think about this if you've owned a modern automobile and sometimes they come out in September, October, November like they normally do but sometimes they come out other times mid-year. We never have had, nobody's probably on this listening to this podcast has ever owned a one-half car and that was probably the last time that I know of is what 70 and a half was the Camaro and that was a really cool car.

Tony's right the round taillights in the back were really cool. The way the grille was this big monster big open mouth in the middle with the little chrome bumpers on a side. It had several different engine packages and I mean that was just an amazing car for sure. Round taillights, round headlights, big open mouth grille, usually had some type of a cowl induction hood, old school cowl induction hood. Just a really cool setup of the vehicle and everything. You could still get it in a big block at that point in time.

It was before the gas crisis that happened in the mid 70s so still put out a lot of power, a lot of
torque. Obviously automatic, manual transmission, whatever your pleasure was that way. I would love to have mine with air conditioning in a bench seat. Yeah well that'll lead into mine then. So one of my first cars was a 1971 Chevelle SS. It was originally a 454 car and it was a blue black stripes cowl induction hood and it was a 454 big block V8 car but it had a bench seat with a shifter on a column and you always looked at those cars and you think well why did
somebody order or make this car in that style?

Well at that time you know the guy still wanted his muscle car but he happened to be married and starting to have children so it's like well we'll get the bench seat and we'll put the kids in the back and we'll have this I'll still have my hot rod so that was that was my second car when I was growing up. It was pretty rough at the time when I got it and it had switched somebody put a small block they blew up the big block but it was a 71 Chevelle SS originally 454 black interior bench seat it had air conditioning Tony so it did have that I think it had tilt steering wheel but it it was a bench seat car which why don't you tell our like two or three listeners that we have what time of the year you bought that
car and had to drive it home.

Oh god I remember buying it I was probably 17 years old 16-17 years old and I bought it in December in northern Indiana and my wonderful stepfather dropped me off at that house which is only about three miles away from where I lived and I had I don't know 1200 bucks I think I paid for that car and he dropped me off with that and he just left me there and it had these big like L60 15s big wide tires and and mag wheels on it and stuff and I remember I couldn't get that thing out of the driveway I couldn't back it up the little hill to even drive it home it took me two hours to kind of shovel this thing because I bought it with bald tires and I think tears are welling up in my eyes but I bought that thing in December and barely could get the damn thing home so it was a it was quite an experience right at the beginning I
should have I should have knew knowing right then that it was gonna be a little tough car but it was it was an enjoyable car for sure but yeah it didn't start out real good thanks for bringing up that memory to me, Tony.

You're welcome.

Yeah I'm good about that and it later in this podcast we'll be talking about some of Tony's miscues in cars too so yeah like my 94 Camaro oh yeah yeah what quite 94 and 97 97 I had two 94 Camaro's 197 Camaro yeah.

Yeah I got a ticket in the 94 Camaro before I could even drive without being on the street hmm I don't know if this dad remembers that but maybe maybe maybe he did.

The sound ticket yeah so anyhow we'll talk to you a lot about different muscle cars different things we did a little bit about us too my father-in-law Tony's grandpa was a professional drag racer Roy Trevino he raced wheel standards 125 150 miles an hour on two wheels though we go back a long ways in the car business big big time I mean my my father-in-law traveled all over the world and still to this day runs an automotive shop in Florida and so that's a little bit about that.

But we'll talk a lot about cars for sure and we'll also spin it into modern cars and what you're driving today and you know what are good cars and what are you know ways to maintain cars and and what are ways for our everybody out here listening to us to go into service centers and get taken care of the right way we'll talk a lot about that as well I don't we throw out what we currently own in a muscle car what do we currently own in a muscle car I drive a tundra I don't think I don't want to go a tundra too I don't think that's a muscle I don't think that's a muscle and you drive in the second car you have Tony is what a minivan?

A minivan because Tony has four children nine-year-old two and a half year old and twin when about 12 week old boys that this mess that up the nine-year-old just became 10 he has 10 that is true he just had his birthday yeah so shout out to Luke for sure yeah no muscle vehicle that we have right now talk about it Tony the current crazy trend is to have high-powered pickup trucks so we own a 72 GMC that's a c15 actually very comparable to the c10 that Chevy had in that era but we've upgraded it quite a bit and modernized it so it's sitting with a LS swap. So it's putting out about 400 horsepower at this point in time and is a modern style muscle car with a pickup truck bed. So the great thing about that is anytime you have to go pick up stuff I carried a freezer home in it and stuff like that you can haul stuff with it.

So versus the old-school muscle cars you couldn't haul anything in those the trunks weren't very big they they were a little more eclectic in their features and stuff and the the modern style of a pickup truck is very cool that way so Tony talks about that GMC which is this is typical of GMC, in the old days Chevy called, there's a c10 which was a half ton truck GMC had to always one up of them because they were the big brother so they had to be a c15 so and that's what we have but that is a pretty cool truck it's a long bed eight-foot bed had had factory air factory tilt as Tony said we put an LS swap in it does have cool things got a factory posi rear end what's that mean does it leave one burnout mark or two burnout marks.

Well it's what kind of posi is it Tony that that's your area yeah well we'll talk about more about that either but it's how we get traction to both rear wheels because most of the time he had to order something optional to get both wheels to really put power to the ground I'll show my younger age here out of the two of us I'm the only one to do a burnout in it thus far so it leaves two marks on the ground well because I'm getting older and I can't stand to, you know, waste rubber that much, but I like looking at the truck. And it's set on air also so we can drop that thing down on the ground pretty low and do some cool things got some new wheels we just got in I think.

Today, yep, tires and wheels coming in for some 20 inch Detroit Steels I believe so.

See wheels, yeah.

Yeah so that'll that'll make a good thing and I know one thing my my son and my grandson enjoy cruising around with that some car shows in our area so it's a little family project that we get to enjoy together for sure.

How to find a trustworthy mechanic

Hi my name is Grace and I was just calling because I'm currently a student and I'm working part-time and my car is getting older. I drive a 2006 Honda Accord and I've been experiencing a lot of repair maintenance issues, and I just want to know like how do I know I'm not getting taken advantage by local mechanics I want to take my car in but every time I do I always feel anxious about am I spending more money than I should are they giving me repair costs that aren't necessary so I just want to know what your guys's advice are, thank you!

So I think the question as I heard from Grace, Tony, is the young lady somewhat new into taking care of car repair on her own for everybody out there listening to us Tony and I and and our family's own independent service centers in northern Indiana and Grace is wanted wanting to know how does she go to a service center where whether it's ours or somebody else's and get treated fairly get treated right you know get treated like she should in a fair fair way and stuff so she has a good understanding of what her car needs.

And making sure she's not getting ripped off so how would we handle that in our shops Tony I think the number one thing that everybody wants in an automotive shop is transparency and trust. So I think when when you're looking for an
automotive shop, you want to feel trust worthiness coming from the staff and everything. I know in our shops one of the ways that we do that is we send you a digital safety inspection so that inspection basically comes to you to your cell phone via text message or via email to where you can look at those pictures of your vehicle of any problems or issues that we found we also show good things we want to show you that you have a car that is it that is worth the investment in everything of potentially putting some work into.

I think it's just as important to show you the good things that is as it is to show you the bad things the other thing that we'd like to do a lot is we'd like to invite people to the back of the shop we'd like to show you what's going on with the vehicle show you around an automotive business and show you different things that way why don't you tell them the story of why you the story of your childhood from your mother moving you guys here and everything and driving a vehicle with California missions to Indiana that's a good story for sure.

So yeah as I was a young man born in Los Angeles California my dad passed away pretty young and my mom was widowed with six children five still at home and we moved from Los Angeles California to northern Indiana that's where my parents were planning on moving anyhow and my mom wanted to continue with that plan. But what I saw, Tony, was this with your grandmother and my mom was how people treated her really well in the automotive service business whether it was a dealership or whether it was an aftermarket shop and stuff.

Because she came to Indiana with this car with weird things on it called California missions which wherever our audience is that's a whole different bag than the other 49 states, but I got to see how a woman even in the 60s and 70s was treated in an automotive service center that was a big driving force for me and Tony's mom my wife Serena to start our service centers and stuff to make sure that that we provided a trustworthy likable service center that
was honest and delivered good things.

So I think as a consumer you want to have you want to like the person that you're talking to you want to have trust in them and you have to view them as a local expert because in modern days going to service centers we don't have the ability normally to talk directly with a technician. It's not like the old days when we used to pull up to the gas station and Bob, the guy that owned a gas station, would come out and fill up your car check your oil but wash your fluid in change a tail light bulb or whatever you needed. It's not that way anymore we have people called service advisors that communicate and share that information with that but I think you, like, in Grace's situation, we want to make sure that there's a comfort level we want we want to make sure that Grace feels comfortable at the service center and comfortable with the information.

And we talk a lot about in our service centers we have service advisors their job is to advise share information with two clients from technicians about how to properly maintain their automobile it's not about selling them a bunch of service it is about sharing with them how to properly maintain an automobile, the same way that your doctor would share
to you that you need to eat better drink less exercise more. It's the same things we we do as a in our automotive service center so I think you know across the nation you want to find that service center that has good communicators that can honestly help you maintain and take care of a shop.

And that's what I would share with Grace is find somebody in your local area that can provide that and that you have a trust level I also think, going into the service center thing, find one and stick with that one because if you jump around nobody really gets to build a relationship with you and you don't get to build one with them. And that's always a bad thing so if you find a good one stick with them you know and work through that and then you have a good trust level and you have that person that will take care of you.

And when you need service and repair that brings up a great point too because when you stick with a service center it keeps all your records in one spot that service center knows exactly what you're going through exactly what's been done to your vehicle your exact history understands your vehicle because here's the thing: one of the things that we
discuss with clients is how long do you plan on keeping the car.

If for Grace if this is a car that you're only gonna keep you know maybe another year because it's your first car or your second car and you're gonna graduate college sooner or what have you that way you know we we may we may advise you differently on how you up keep that vehicle versus if I had a client tell me a couple weeks ago tell me I want to keep that car until 300,000 miles I'm gonna give you different advice to be able to make that car last 300,000 miles that I am somebody that only wants the car to stick around for another six months or 12 months so when you stick with one shop and you understand things and you build that relationship deeper it allows you better service that you're gonna receive for that vehicle it allows your vehicle to maintain a longer period of time and allows you to kind of create that relationship and that's a great point and you know we'll get close to wrapping up this segment but Tony talked about one thing share with the service center you go to what is your plan for the car because if you're in the 35th month of a 36 month lease and you know every three years you're gonna get another car then share that with them because there's no use talking about a bunch of services conversely if you've got a car that's got a hundred and twenty thousand miles on it and you want to drive it like Tony
said till 300,000 miles or 400,000 miles a great service center can help you get
to that.

And we can show you ways that make it make it make that last for that period of time but I would always share with you know what is the intent how long do you plan on keeping this automobile and I think your service center can provide that the other quick thing I would add with that is understand modern automobiles our grandparents and maybe your parents out there threw away a car at a hundred thousand miles or they were doing a major engine rebuild and modern automobiles can last you know 250,000 300 400 even 500,000 miles with proper maintenance without every any big catastrophic things happening.

Now, it does require maintenance just like it does with our human body that we have to you know exercise and maintain and do things but there is a great opportunity so if you share the plan for the car like Tony shared with you it
really helps a service center dial in the types of services you need to make it last as long as you want it to last.

Driving the discussion: tires and traction

Hey here's a segment for you called driving the discussion. So we'll talk about different subjects you know every podcast and share with you some information, but we're gonna talk about tires and traction and that part of life
and stuff.

So you know that the only contact between your automobile and the street is tires and what kind of tires and stuff and boy now you know we have multiple different sizes of tires and wheels and different brands I mean you could have hundreds of different choices just in the single size tire that you have on your car. So when you started this business in 1984 how many different sizes of tires did you stock? So let's give you let's roll back let's roll back 37 38 years and let's talk about this.

In 1984 when Serena and I started the automotive service center we purchased about five sets of tires that covered I'm gonna say 80 to 90 percent of the cars out there. There was two or three sizes of 15 inch there was maybe one or two sizes of 14 inch tires and then there was and that's the size of the wheel that's what determines with that and then there was maybe they're starting to be 13 inch, but man we would have we, were able to cover a vast majority of cars on the road, trucks included, with a few different sizes.

Now we have my golf car has 14 inch tires yeah I probably had cars that had smaller tires in your golf cart so we'll be honest with that so but yeah that has changed drastically I mean the tire business here's one thing that's interesting with the tire business is modern automobiles as I talked in an earlier segment will last three four hundred five hundred thousand miles tires really haven't kept up with that especially with all-wheel-drive vehicles front-wheel-drive vehicles four-wheel-drive vehicles I mean the the tire is not increased three to four times in the in the length of the way a vehicle lasts and stuff.

So there's a whole bunch of different things in all-wheel-drive vehicle you should never replace one or two tires you should always replace all four because there's power sent to every wheel and the thickness of the tire has to be equal
and in just a tire halfway worn out is massively different it'll cause permanent negative damage to things in your vehicle but getting back to the traction side of it and stuff so depending on the parts of country that you live in whether it's rainy wintery a mixture of both we have all-season tires. We have, you know, summer tires only and stuff but there's major differences.

And then here's the real quirky thing about tires also and then we talked about this we measure tires in 30 seconds of an inch which is just plain stupid 100% everybody that has a tape measure or is built anything in their house or did any type of whatever you never measure things in 30 seconds of an inch yet the tire manufacturers in their infinite wisdom have decided we're gonna say a new tire is 12 30 seconds of an inch well I don't I've been into my whole life I don't know what --- Tony do you know what a 30 second of an inch is?

I know a saw blades usually an eighth of an inch well yeah so so that's what four times to get to a 130 second I mean in the stupid thing too is they never start out at 32 30 seconds like like it never starts out at a 100%. Now it always starts out you know way less in everything.

So I mean I have mud tires on my tundra and and they start out at 16 30 seconds well that's only 50% you know in so when you're trying to talk to people I'm proud of you on the math because you did hit that's Bremen that Bremen high school education is working for me that got you right on. But you're right, Tony, they measure that way so the old thing too was your tires need replaced if you took a penny and stuck it with Lincoln's head in there and you could still see his head then then they're okay or not okay but I think that my generation doesn't even use pennies anymore penny is a is the smallest coin in in the United States but people don't use it too much it's usually in that little bin at the
checkout counter when and when people throw their extra stuff in it because they don't want them.

But anyhow getting back to traction getting back to tires make sure that you get to a service center that really can dial you in and point you in the right direction with you know the brand of tires and the traction and the life expectancy because everybody wants a good priced tire but you may want longevity and traction and stuff and here's one thing. I'll give you a good tip here good rider downer the longer the tire lasts is also increases in traction value and overall ride value so you can't buy a cheap tire that maybe only lasts 30,000 miles that also rides really well and gives you a great traction well it does they don't go together so you have to buy maybe let's say a Michelin that lasts for 80,000 miles to also get the best ride and the best traction.

But I want to share with you one thing you can turn in a leased car with about 530 seconds of tread Tony is that right so so in a new tire on a car probably starts at 10 or 12 30 seconds on average you can turn a car in with that and still turn it in with a lease without getting dinged on your lease or have to put a tires on that but I want you to think about the difference in traction between a brand new tire and a 530 seconds tire and Tony I think there was a story a few years ago coming out of Chicago coming back to Indiana that you got to experience.

I knew this was going here.

Yeah well it needs to go there it's scared the heck out of me as a dad.

I think it's scared the heck out of everybody it's Southwest Airlines fault.

We cannot we cannot call out name brands of things.

So okay some airline named Southwest had multiple delays because of an airplane issue in st. Louis for a transfer so that made me land in Chicago like four hours late in the middle of a downpouring monsoon and so I'm pulling the toll road back to come back to Indiana and for everybody the toll road is the 80 90 interstate that goes through Illinois Indiana Pennsylvania goes all the way to the West Coast I don't know what the road's name is it goes east to west coast Tony yeah it's whatever pulls up on my GPS here's another problem with with the Millennials GPS versus that we had a good friend in the old days we used to take on trips you know what his name was I don't his name was Randy McNally.

Yeah he had a map it was the thing we've pulled out we would look at where we're going Randy was a very small person to fit in the seat back pocket and it's technically ran McNally I know that but we we we nicknamed him our family Randy McNally.

Yeah well in course Randy McNally turned into Tom Tom so yeah Tom Tom's not him around no I'm not gone too so now your iPhone does everything for you.

Anyways so I'm coming back on the 80 90 toll road and where the transition happens from Illinois to Indiana starts to switch from concrete to blacktop well I had hydroplanned a couple times I was driving a 2015 Toyota Avalon three years old at that time yeah we're 36,000 miles yeah I think this was no it was October and I think we had to turn the lease in in November and it was Tony's mom's car and she got a new car and he drove that over to the airport a couple hours away from where we live yeah and they you know so really good car really nice car front wheel drive car you know should have everything equipped to be able to keep you safe which it did long story short there but I'm coming back and I hydroplaned a couple times.

I actually slowed down which is unheard of for me. It's a shocker right here though I was I had slowed down to under 50 miles an hour another shocker yeah on the toll road and I was in the fast lane all the way in the left lane because I moved over because there was a semi all the way in the right lane right where it goes from two lanes to three lanes and kind of or maybe four lanes to three lanes it either condenses or expands right there. I got further away from the semi because I was like I didn't want the water splashing up on the windshield which we've all experienced that and stuff so I get over the car starts I'm in that lane for a little while and stuff going straight then the car starts to hydroplane and I know most people know the experience of some hydroplaning I know most people if they don't know that experience they know the experience of sliding on ice or just losing traction in general and when the car started to hydroplane.

I started to try to correct it having driven cars and slid cars around tracks and stuff like that. I tried to drive out of it with this the accelerator and feathering the pedal and that type of stuff your your brakes activate and your brakes will will do ABS pulsation but there's nothing really for the accelerator pedal hey cut to the chase let's go let's get to the punchline well I put the car underneath the back of the semi trailer.

So I'm underneath the semi trailer. I had already hunched over because I didn't think I wanted to lose my head to the semi trailer. So I curled myself around the the center console of the car and I do distinctly remember looking up out the passenger window and just seeing tires of the semi trailer spinning and fortunately for me I didn't go all the way underneath the semi trailer and out the other side for some reason the the car rotated back around and spit me back out the same way I came in towards the median and I was able to get the car stopped slightly before the median being shook up and not thinking then I never put the car in park and I actually ran into the median then.

So don't tell our insurance company that, but it ended up doing because we had 530 seconds to tread on this on this car it ended up doing like $25,000 worth of damage to this car. It took out both front fenders the hood the front bumper the passenger front door the passenger rear door the passenger rear quarter panel rear bumper trunk lid everything that way most people would say well the airbags probably saved you not a single airbag deployed on this car because of how it hit. So it hit the a-pillar and across the windshield and pushed the windshield.

Tony this car an a-pillar is that post between the side window and the front windshield and most a car like this has airbags in there it has them in the door it has them in the dash it has all these airbags and way they're bags in a way that car hit. Because it was only three years old at that time not one of those went off in that in that specific
situation the plastic panels for the a-pillars were hanging down on both sides and I could see the backside of the airbag where they were hanging down.

Yeah I had grabbed the steering wheel so tight at some point in time which I don't even remember this grabbing it so tight trying to turn it that I actually can cave the steering wheel and bent the steering wheel inward in everything so I think Tony's BSing on this part but we'll go with it it's your story yeah not not what you said at go part when we went to get the parts out and get the stuff out of the car that was there you asked what happened to the steering wheel so yeah but you know it's a it's an honest story though and I and I often think back to it for everybody out there is is I didn't put tires on that car because my wife got a new car and we were turning it in on lease a month later.

And I I often think about how close it may have cost me my son's life and it really hit home because when you go to your service center here's what happens we give you if you have a digital inspection or a paper-written one we do green yellow red so we mark down green that they're really great yellow they're close to needing replaced and red that are bad.

So Tony, in our shops honestly that tire what would we mark in our shop after that experience and everything we've started marking those in the red which some people may call super aggressive in everything as far as trying to push tires or sell you tires however having experienced that I don't want anybody else to experience that and I know that that tire had I had a better tire on that car that probably would not have happened.

Or honestly with my my driving experience in the skill that I have driving wise I probably could have straightened that car back out and maybe ended up one lane over but never ended up making contact with that semi-trailer so the point goes with and with Tony sharing with you a tires job is to dissipate the water underneath it it's just it's just shove it out the side shove it out the back whatever to keep that tire in contact with it with the pavement just as much as a strut on your car we don't have shock absorbers much anymore on vehicles we have struts and its job is to keep that tire pushed down and planted firmly on the pavement. And when a tire gets this thin it just doesn't it doesn't have full contact water gets in between the the pavement and the tire and then it causes a hydroplane and ended up with Tony slamming into the side of this semi trailer.

So as you're looking at that as you're going to your service centers always remember you know same way with brakes honestly you know brakes that 30 40 percent remaining are not going to work near as efficiently as brakes that are brand-new tires are the same way so just always understand that regardless it's it's how you want to service your car and maintain your car we always talk in ours in our shops this we only provide two things for our customers safety and reliability and those are what we want to make sure I want that for my daughter I want that for my wife my whoever in my family my loved ones that's what we want to provide and this is you know this is really you know what we try to do in our shop so that's just a little story about the tire side but in the safety and reliability and taking care of your loved ones brings up another point.

It wasn't really this case for me. At this point time I was an adult already had children and stuff like that with with this
instance but you know a lot of times I hear people talk about their their story of their first car and what a what a jalopy it was a piece of junk or or whatever that way and stuff but in the modern age of cars and where we're at with things and stuff with drivers driving a lot more young drivers driving a lot more and young drivers.

We're in a transition period where young drivers aren't getting their drivers license right at 16 years old a lot of kids aren't getting it until right at the end of high school going into college so on and so forth you really should be putting these kids or these younger drivers into either one some type of a driving school or driving class in addition to driver's education.

Tire rack has a great program that I know that we've put my brother and sister in that teaches you how to handle a car with little to no traction how to slide a car how to if you get in an accident if you hit a deer whatever how to keep the car on the road. So there's a great driving course that is put on nationwide from from Tire Rack.

The other thing to think about too is is putting your kid in a safer car. So I see a lot of people put their child in the the leftover you know 10, 12, 15, year-old car 20 year-old car that has no ABS, or no electronic stability control, no traction control and stuff like that. And that, to an unskilled driver, we as parents know how to drive a car in that scenario because we've been driving for 10, 15, 20 years.

But those that are younger children that we care so much about and everything that we would do anything for we put in these old junky cars that maybe you didn't put the tire out end on, or you didn't replace something because you didn't want to put money into that car. So really think about that is, your parenting in stuff which I'm gonna have to really think about that hard when my twins become a driving agent.

You got a whole bunch of that time coming up by two cars at one time not not one. And I'll finish this segment with this is Tony's right. We take our, you know most of us parents, we love and care for our children so much and but what we do is we we say well I'm gonna hand my car down to my 16 year old and I'm gonna get a new car so here's what we do parents. And I'm a parent three three children four grandchildren now fifth on the way though but here's what we do we take our least experienced driver 16 years old 17 whenever they get their license and we put them in the oldest piece of crap we have and then we wonder why we have problems.

So Tony's right, I mean we we drive the brand new car with ABS and traction control and lane departure and all these other things, yet we put that that new young driver in this are like that so it's just something to think about everybody out there. A little story honest, honest to God story of you know something happened in our family and a tire that really still had almost 50% of tread wear that caused this accident so that's our that's our tip on that one.

I'm gonna speak first.

Okay go ahead.

He always, always young guy wants to go first. Go ahead.

Hey thanks for listening to our first podcast and everything. We have plenty more episodes coming to you. Mike you got anything to say?

You know, again, thank you for joining us on our first podcast. This is a father and son team it's an amazing experience to be partners with my son and our automotive service centers. And we just want to talk to you about a lot of fun things about automobiles.

It's been Tony and I's pleasure to join you on this podcast and and get ready for the next one. Everyone knows oil needs to be changed often but how many other car fluids need regular maintenance find out next time on From the Glovebox this podcast is brought to you by TMT Automotive and Momentum Drives Marketing